Cast & Creative Behind ‘The Falcon and The Winter Soldier’ Discuss Patriotism, Supremacy, and Captain America’s Mantle

The Winter Soldier Blood on the Shield and How It Changes the Symbol
Throughout the series so far, the show has been exploring what the shield means as a symbol. However, at the end of Episode 4, in a very public display, John Walker executes a Flag Smasher with Captain America’s shield.

“Steve Rogers, to some degree, was the ideal, not of America, but [of] doing the right thing and always having the best intentions,” shares Nate Moore. “As soon as you put blood on the idea of something, I think that’s pretty powerful. Everybody in the show is struggling with the ideal because the ideal is not the reality anymore.”

“For Sam, for Bucky, for John Walker, for Karli, for Sharon. Everybody’s trying to reconcile the notion of the ideal with reality,” continues Moore. “And the reality is, again, as soon as you put blood on that shield, and you see it in the fans’ reaction, there’s a visceral ‘You can’t do that.’ You cannot collide the ideal with reality because they’re incongruent; there is a dissonance there.”

“In terms of the blood, it’s like, again, the reality.

The Social Commentary of the Shield

Moore adds, “While I don’t think our intention was to rip from the headlines [of] what is happening, I do think thematically, it is sort of interesting to interrogate that idea, and figure out how then do you reconcile this this thing that, again, is a symbol of the ideal with the reality of how sometimes it is deployed.

Watch the full roundtable above of the cast and creatives behind the series with The Undefeated!

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